Comments on: E2E SAP Testing – Halfway Under Control? http://www.beteoblog.com/2008/08/05/e2e-sap-testing-%e2%80%93-halfway-under-control/ Sustainability (not only) for Packaged Software Systems Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:09:45 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: HP Quality Center 10 from a Test Manager’s Perspective /// beteo http://www.beteoblog.com/2008/08/05/e2e-sap-testing-%e2%80%93-halfway-under-control/comment-page-1/#comment-786 HP Quality Center 10 from a Test Manager’s Perspective /// beteo Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:33:22 +0000 http://www.beteoblog.com/?p=90#comment-786 [...] Along with version control comes baselining, which is intended to answer the question above. Using the new “Management” module that replaces the “Releases” introduced in 9.x one gets to the baseline function via the “Libraries” tab. This enables one to obtain a summary of a complete testing release and retrieve it if necessary. In this way, a test set can be pinned to a baseline in the test lab. In other words, as of now, the manual copying of entire trees into the test plan module is a thing of the past. At last, test managers will be able to properly organize software that has multiple parallel releases (in production, current release, future release). [...] [...] Along with version control comes baselining, which is intended to answer the question above. Using the new “Management” module that replaces the “Releases” introduced in 9.x one gets to the baseline function via the “Libraries” tab. This enables one to obtain a summary of a complete testing release and retrieve it if necessary. In this way, a test set can be pinned to a baseline in the test lab. In other words, as of now, the manual copying of entire trees into the test plan module is a thing of the past. At last, test managers will be able to properly organize software that has multiple parallel releases (in production, current release, future release). [...]

]]> By: Peter Helfenstein http://www.beteoblog.com/2008/08/05/e2e-sap-testing-%e2%80%93-halfway-under-control/comment-page-1/#comment-275 Peter Helfenstein Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:56:25 +0000 http://www.beteoblog.com/?p=90#comment-275 Amit, many thanks for your feedback. You are so right. For the SAP IT organization cost and time savings through SAP E2E testing are substantial. 30%-40% productivity gains at SAP customers using services or software like Panaya when it comes to upgrades or major changes are typically reported. This is very impressive. From a business point of view though the increased quality reducing the risk of application failures after regular change roll-outs is to me is equally if not more important. Peter Amit,
many thanks for your feedback. You are so right. For the SAP IT organization cost and time savings through SAP E2E testing are substantial. 30%-40% productivity gains at SAP customers using services or software like Panaya when it comes to upgrades or major changes are typically reported. This is very impressive.

From a business point of view though the increased quality reducing the risk of application failures after regular change roll-outs is to me is equally if not more important.

Peter

]]> By: Peter Helfenstein http://www.beteoblog.com/2008/08/05/e2e-sap-testing-%e2%80%93-halfway-under-control/comment-page-1/#comment-274 Peter Helfenstein Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:42:36 +0000 http://www.beteoblog.com/?p=90#comment-274 Brian, we are glad to look more detailed into Worksoft's testing solution and to add it to our SAP Quality Management tools miniguide. Maybe it is worth its own blog post soon. I will contact you via email. Welcome to the beteo SAP ALM blog community. Peter Brian, we are glad to look more detailed into Worksoft’s testing solution and to add it to our SAP Quality Management tools miniguide. Maybe it is worth its own blog post soon. I will contact you via email.
Welcome to the beteo SAP ALM blog community.
Peter

]]> By: Amit Bendov http://www.beteoblog.com/2008/08/05/e2e-sap-testing-%e2%80%93-halfway-under-control/comment-page-1/#comment-273 Amit Bendov Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:36:04 +0000 http://www.beteoblog.com/?p=90#comment-273 If I may add, it is important to note that there's also substantial cost and time saving created. For example, we find that most customers we work with have overestimated the testing budget for upgrades and support packs, since they do not know what to test. The returns from smarter analysis that will tell what needs to be tested, and equally important, what not to test are fantastic. If I may add, it is important to note that there’s also substantial cost and time saving created.
For example, we find that most customers we work with have overestimated the testing budget for upgrades and support packs, since they do not know what to test. The returns from smarter analysis that will tell what needs to be tested, and equally important, what not to test are fantastic.

]]> By: Brian Anderson http://www.beteoblog.com/2008/08/05/e2e-sap-testing-%e2%80%93-halfway-under-control/comment-page-1/#comment-272 Brian Anderson Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:00:48 +0000 http://www.beteoblog.com/?p=90#comment-272 Dear Mr. Helfenstein, Thank you for the blog on E2E SAP Testing. Your article is very similar to a presentation I made on SAP Test Automation and Business Process Validation at this year’s North American Sapphire/ASUG event in Orlando to over 200 attendees. Worksoft provides an automated testing solution focused on SAP, but also supporting other platforms, including HTML, Java, .Net, VB, SOA, and even mainframes. Worksoft is also an IntelliCorp partner and we resell Live Compare as well as other IntelliCorp products re-branded as Live Model and Live Data. Worksoft’s testing solution is unique in that it is completely script free. Test are defined and executed using a powerful object-action model. This means that business analysts and other SAP functional users (the folks who really know how SAP should operate in their implementation) can easily define and execute tests through Worksoft’s menu driven interface. This object-action model also means that tests can be easily and automatically updated base on the changes you describe to SAP or any other application under test. Please let me know if you would be interested in more information on Worksoft’s solution. We have a white paper I can send based on the Business Process Validation topic I mentioned above and we would love to be included on your list of Functional Testing solutions. Thanks again for the great blog. Now that I’ve found it, I will check back often. Brian Anderson Director of Product Management Worksoft, Inc. banderson@worksoft.com (214) 239-0409 Dear Mr. Helfenstein,

Thank you for the blog on E2E SAP Testing. Your article is very similar to a presentation I made on SAP Test Automation and Business Process Validation at this year’s North American Sapphire/ASUG event in Orlando to over 200 attendees.

Worksoft provides an automated testing solution focused on SAP, but also supporting other platforms, including HTML, Java, .Net, VB, SOA, and even mainframes. Worksoft is also an IntelliCorp partner and we resell Live Compare as well as other IntelliCorp products re-branded as Live Model and Live Data.

Worksoft’s testing solution is unique in that it is completely script free. Test are defined and executed using a powerful object-action model. This means that business analysts and other SAP functional users (the folks who really know how SAP should operate in their implementation) can easily define and execute tests through Worksoft’s menu driven interface. This object-action model also means that tests can be easily and automatically updated base on the changes you describe to SAP or any other application under test.

Please let me know if you would be interested in more information on Worksoft’s solution. We have a white paper I can send based on the Business Process Validation topic I mentioned above and we would love to be included on your list of Functional Testing solutions.

Thanks again for the great blog. Now that I’ve found it, I will check back often.

Brian Anderson
Director of Product Management
Worksoft, Inc.
banderson@worksoft.com
(214) 239-0409

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